Independent Baptist - RationalWiki Former Independent Fundamental Baptists - IFB KJV Join group About this group A group for those who have formally been associated with the Independent Fundamental Baptist movement, IFB. According to the Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life, there are. The ones in Amish country have buggy tie ups outside and. For more information, please see our document.write ("&loc=" + escape(window.location)); Its definitely something that is imprinted to childrens brains that the females responsible for purity and for modesty.. They have chosen to pretty much stay away. Their religion has taught them to fear everything outside their pod. In other churches, pastors are the head of the church and a direct conduit to God. earthmama514: I think the first duty of a mother and father is to their minor children, not to their, The behavior of your parents is not uncommon in fundamentalists families, as I 'm sure you know. Memoirs of a Recovering Fundamentalist. : Freedom, liberty, history, politics, psychology, medicine, arts, sciences, games, sensational sex, jamming with friends, good food, drink, and conversation. largest independent fundamental baptist churches. Even after lifting the ban, the university still required parental permission for interracial relationships. And his spankings would include an entire discussion of what the bad actions were, followed by additional discipline. Challenging the decision of male authority is considered a grave sin and an act of rebellion. Rusty Chatfield, father of former House Speaker Lee Chatfield, speaks to a Sunday morning congregation at Northern Michigan Baptist Bible Church. I missed the birth of my niece and several other big family events during this time, which hurt a lot. Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) is a loosely-affiliated, cultish denomination of Christian fundamentalists. Paddling, or corporal punishment, is allowed at Chatfields church. Independent Fundamental Churches, for those who dont know, is a very extremist form of Christianity. I watched a morning newscast running clips of the interview with Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar discussing why they didnt do anything to hold accountable their son, Josh, for sexual abuse. Editors Note: The Independent Fundamental Baptist Church movement is separate from the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, which the Anti-Defamation League has designated as a hate group. As I suggested above, what they do about this is up to them exclusively. I was brought on board to write about music, but the job quickly got out of hand. Recovering Fundamentalist Podcast | Recovering Fundamentalist Podcast I appreciated reading your extimony - though didn't appreciate the ostracism and neglect you experienced. Explaining the Differences Between NIFB, IFB and IBLP - No Longer Quivering Counseling has helped that a lot. They then sent Josh to a faith training center located in Little Rock, Ark., that belonged to an independent fundamental Baptist organization called the Institute in Basic Life Principles created by Bill Gothard. Where to find us. Private Only members can see who's in the group and what they post. When I reached the age to have a period, I didnt know what was happening. At least, he got the dress part right, right? Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception One other thing, take your time about coming out to your husband, family and others until YOU are ready. The IFB church movement does not have centralized leadership, with each church setting up its own governing authority. Gothards curriculum was used by the Duggar family of the television show 19 Kids and Counting. In 2003, the couples eldest son admitted to touching two of his sisters. zoneId = '14'; In fact having a child is what started me really opening my eyes. To repeat: Josh Duggar now has been convicted of possession of child pornography, but not of the sexual molestation he earlier confessed committing against minor victims. Ugh. Gothard has been convicted of sex crimes, including transporting a 16-year-old girl to northern Michigan. When the child didnt stop, Pearl directed him to pull over and get a switch from a tree. Questions: Bruce, Is the IFB Church Movement a Cult? Women were pretty much only good for making babies to keep your quiver full and for cooking/cleaning/housework etc. It was a blue ping-pong paddle that they used to spank kids. In one memo that Skwarczynski reported on his podcast, a minister encouraged students to pray about Gods intent (and seek parental input) before engaging in exotic relationships. I would love if they came. zoneId = '7'; He added: I would go so far as to say the majority fit the category of cults by definition.. Bruce Gerencser, 65, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 44 years. Welcome, earthmama514. Nichols declined to explain why he is representing him, confirm this story or facilitate interview requests with Chatfield. History [ edit] During his religious studies at the Baptist College of Ministry in Wisconsin, he took a parenting class where he was taught to use a long glue stick, he explained. Its a place where everyone knows your name. Rebekah Leonard with her then high school boyfriend Aaron Chatfield after a soccer tournament. Pearl responded: Its supposed to. Pearl also said the physically abusive training for kids should begin as early as 9 months. Again after more reading, connecting with a counselor that has been showing me a different path, and finally acknowledging that I was happier without god and Christianity in my life, a few weeks back I stopped going to church and the past week and a half have declared myself an atheist. A group for those who have formally been associated with the Independent Fundamental Baptist movemen Former Independent Fundamental Baptists - IFB KJV New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. The co-founder, Paul Kingsbury, recently was forced to leave his position at North Love Baptist Church in Rockford, Ill., for his role in helping a sex offender avoid prosecution by supporting him overseas as a missionary. It is such an annoyance. The investigation by his law firm found no sexual harassment by Gothard. It has caused me tremendous guilt to be happy with just one child and not want anymore. Not to mention of course the psychological impact of the repressive and abusive environment fostered by the philosophy. Having sex out of wedlock, Rebekah Chatfield explained, was tantamount to being married in the eyes of God. If the couple agrees that God wants a marriage, it is done quickly. (also have an uncle who is a pastor, and an aunt who married a pastor!) Pearl advised the father to tell the child to be quiet or he would be spanked. Its a strict reading of the Bible that places women in servitude people to be seen but not heard. Even as a young child, I knew intuitively that Mom was right. It was all addressed in a way to somehow place her at the center and the cause, Emily said in a phone interview. Because of their reality TV show, the Duggars and their particular brand of Christianity made its way into the homes of Americans, both fans and critics alike. Courting between young couples also requires them to have another person in the room. These confused and contradictory teachings are combined with a lack of reproductive health education from the church schools. Retrieved December 10, 2021, from https://talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/josh-duggar-bill-gothard-institute-in-basic-life-principles. Retrieved December 10, 2021, from https://nypost.com/article/duggar-cult-enabled-sexual-abuse-former-members-say/. And what made it worse was the people in the church, the supposed Christians, were horrible mean petty people who made my life a living hell every day. The Duggars endorsed Lee Chatfield in 2014. Still have any Gods? ), and stopped praying over our food. want to have a close relationship with them, you must make your own decisions about your life. Some might have a council of deacons who work at the direction of the pastor. Somehow, I made my hands call a loved one to tell them to hurry up and turn on the TV because, our story is on.. Jim Bob Duggar formerly served in the Arkansas House of Representatives and announced recently that he is running for Arkansas State Senate in the 7th District. To have a "servant's heart" was preached and I feel that if anyone had that kind of "heart," it was us, women. I am so glad for you, Earthmama! Skwarczynski, the podcaster, said he remembers the paddling instrument well. I had no joy, no life, was miserable and depressed. [1] As a ministry of the First Baptist Church of Hammond, it focuses on training pastors, missionaries and Christian teachers to work in Independent Baptist schools. You were born depraved, so it goes, but Thank God you have churchmen there to help you with the cure: the Bible, p, Bill, I wrote them a letter in November telling them in no uncertain terms would I let them run my life anymore and I was done being scared of what they thought or would do. The books present spanking as a benevolent act of love by a parent. Numerous of Pearls books, including the infamous To Train Up a Child, is promoted in these independent Baptist circles, even though the book advocates physically beating children and babies with a rod. Though it was not as strict a background, it wasn't far off. Your extimony was well written. I was disappointed. An Ex-Independent Fundamental Baptist Testimony 2023 Baptist News Global. https://www.reddit.com/r/exchristian/wiki/faq. Gothard resigned from his ministry in 2014 after allegations of sexual harassment in his operations arose. He was very sweet and nice to me and in desperation to get away from my stifling household and overbearing parents; I rushed into marriage with him. Hundreds of Sex Abuse Allegations Found in Fundamental Baptist Churches Someone to come sit with me, make some meals, anything. zoneId = '12'; I just needed a hand and friend desperately. Cookie Notice It certainly made sense 3,000+ years ago. PEOPLE.com. David Gibbs Jr. has been listed as a defendant in a federal lawsuit brought by a victim of one of the most prominent independent fundamental Baptist churches and colleges located in Hammond, Ind. Former IFB church . That control must be severed if you are to become or remain an, adult.If isn't you will not grow emotionally nor will you mature as you should. It was into this world that Lee Chatfield was born and raised. My name is Cassandra and I am a recovering fundamentalist. In fact, in my own former church of 15 years, the church supported them as if they were missionaries. It makes no sense now. This is a world most can't imagine - really. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) Movement Former independent fundamental Baptists share their stories | Fort The suffering of so many little girls is hidden in the independent fundamental Baptist movement. Fathers pray about matches, then discuss it among themselves. We decided to not spank our child as we didnt want her to fear us as we did our parents. The aim is to help people escaping from Quiverfull/Patriarchal xianity, wherever they are at on their journey. And the ability to. "I don't care what he says, I will never believe that a young, innocent baby deserves hell.". or This continued for miles. if (document.mmm_fo) document.write ("&mmm_fo=1"); By his point I was beyond disillusioned and told my mom I was thinking of moving to a more liberal church because at least those people helped each other. Retrieved December 10, 2021, from https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/counting-jim-bob-duggar-running-010722478.html. I suppose they would call it "tough love" or some such. Three Questions About the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Church The IFB church movement is on the far right of the Baptist spectrum. 'Men of God' Current and formers members say many independent fundamental Baptist churches rule by fear. Your extimony was well written. I could never under any circumstances I can conceive cut off contact with my child. But Josh Duggars confession of molesting children, of sexually abusing family members, never has made it to a courtroom due to numerous factors. Its first school superintendent was Norm Olson, an Alanson native who came to national prominence during the 1995 Oklahoma City bombings, which killed 168, as a cofounder of the Michigan Militia. Pastor Jim Vineyard was an expert in the tactic. The fundamental belief: All people are born into sin and rebelliousness against God, so children require a firm hand to be saved from this sin-stained existence. if (document.context) document.write ("&context=" + escape(document.context)); Archived post. console.log("Calling zone: " + zoneId); Passcode: , Are you one of those readers who like to open a biography in the middle, to get to the good stuff? First of all, I admire your courage in speaking out. '&charset='+document.characterSet : '')); (n.d.). As a survivor of this movement, I never was surprised that Josh got away with his crimes for so long, that hell never face legal consequences for sexually molesting children. If you don't step forward to sever the control it will last their lifetimes and have a damaging effect upon your maturity. When she brought allegations to church officials, as well as law enforcement, she was encouraged not to discuss it publicly, she said. My blog has moved. So often, predators and abusive behavior by men in the independent fundamental Baptist world are firmly swept under the rug labeled the cause of Christ, forgive and forget, and she tempted him, and never see the light of day. Not from the point of view of them as people who are moral ends in themselves. I really don't get how they can continue to go when they hate it. Holding hands, kissing and hugging are all strictly prohibited. (a job I now loathe with my entire being, but thats another story. '&charset='+document.characterSet : '')); This is the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church movement. Although, if Westboro is any indication, I might have guessed. There are so many young boys I knew who were sweet and kind as young children only to grow into cold and unkind men who ordered women about. In a homeschool curriculum produced by former evangelical IFB lead Bill Gothard, theres a two-page explanation and justification about why a 4-year-old boys molestation by a teenage male neighbor was ultimately good for God. You deserve to be free from all that unnecessary mental baggage. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments . By Jennifer Waggoner. He is pastor of Faithful Word Baptist Churchin Tempe, Arizona. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated Baptists. And to this day that's true. } Lol What do you do for a living?, Having a journalist at the Sunday service made Chatfield uncomfortable, he said. Skwarczynski heard sermons and teachings about rape. Hes very logical so I have no doubt that he might eventually come my way but until then I just silently roll my eyes and scream on the inside when he says stupid things like Jesus did that for us! We are here to support all questioning or former Christians and encourage you wherever your path may take you. What struck me the most was your family's willingness to ostracize you. Justin Woodbury, 41, has left the IFB. Is a parent responsible for training a child? They were also distanced themselves further from the Independent Baptists because the latter were increasingly tempted by the King James Only view of the Bible and riven with debates over how much separation was required to be faithful. There are a lot of us here who are unequally yoked, so you're in great company. I could never under any circumstances I can conceive cut off contact with my child. (yeah cause that always helped!). Victims were made to forgive abusers and ask forgiveness for the role they played in their assault. The flagship university of IFB, Bob Jones University, also banned interracial dating until 2004. Arel, D. (2015, July 8). What they fail to realize is that manipulative individuals can use their presumed spiritual purity as a cloak under which they can commit offenses without being suspected or reported, he said. An anonymous tip to police a few years after his parents knew about the abuse was too late as the statute of limitations had expired for what would have been considered crimes. Former IFB Missionary. ", singing, writing, computer geekery, cooking, science experiments, foreign languages, videoing jazz singers, RELIGIOUS TRAUMA RECOVERY RETREAT Cape Cod, June 8-11, 2023. The sexual abuse of children is commonplace among the independent fundamental Baptists. Hyles-Anderson College ( HAC) is an private independent Baptist college in unincorporated Crown Point, Lake County, Indiana. "A Course of Love" with Lucille Olson- 7 p.m. Zoom ID: 177 417 886. KJV, "Aquiveris a container forarrows,bolts, ordarts.". He disciplined the child, and put the toddler back in the car and began driving again. Bill Gothard cleared of criminal activity but chastised for lack of discretion after sexual harassment claims. The Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (IFB) church movement is a group of autonomous local churches that trace their lineage back to the liberal/modernist vs. Evangelical/Fundamentalist controversy in the 20th century. Privacy Policy. On the bright side, he has given me my daughter who is my life and joy and I wouldnt trade her for anything in this world. The first church was founded there in 1688, in Middletown and was made up of many who had fled persecution in the other colonies. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. As such I went off to college after graduating high school and became a nurse. var m3_u = (location.protocol=='https:'? Visible Anyone can find this group. I was raised in an independent fundamental Baptist household. My husband is still a Christian and as of now I havent really approached the subject with him as its still so new to me that I dont feel that I have enough education yet to help him understand why and give him the logical reasons why god isnt real. During this time, many of the largest churches in the United States were IFB congregations. They dont do dancing. It was called Mr. Blue. Then Arkansas state Rep. Jim Bob Duggar and his wife, Michelle, lead 12 of their 13 children to a polling place in Springdale, Ark., on Tuesday, May 21, 2002. I was surprised, however, to see him finally face some legal repercussions for some of his abusive actions. (517) 371-5600 Baptist History - A Brief Survey Independent Fundamental Baptist My blog aims to: 1) Spread a passion for Jesus Christ 2) Help people harmed by extreme fundamentalism 3) Encourage wider reform in fundamentalism & 4) Defend my theological positions. I was b, "Original sin" is a clever way of getting you hooked for life on church mind control. I'm glad you are out of the cult. When asked to define spanking, Chatfield told the newspapers editorial board it was normally a swat on the behind. He also said he thinks spanking is good if a child, at a young age, is misbehaving. His church requires written approval from a parent or guardian to administer spankings during school hours. FORT DODGE Baptist missionary Jordan Webb didn't tell his wife he'd had extramarital affairs until after both he and a 4-year-old family member tested positive for gonorrhea. Josh never was at risk of being held responsible for his actions in the independent fundamental Baptist movement; however, his victims always would be at risk for being held responsible. As you poke around on here and elsewhere, you'll see more of how the "logic" side of your decision is well founded. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. A few years later we moved again to a new state where he once again was a youth/assistant pastor and after a few years there, he resigned, we moved again (this time in the same state), and he started his own church. No matter what she does I would never treat her that way. Chatfield recalled an instance in which her then-boyfriend and future husband, Aaron Chatfield, had run around the school in his boxer shorts. If you ever considered yourself a conservative Christian, youre likely familiar with the Duggar family. Retrieved December 10, 2021, from https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2015/07/details-have-emerged-about-the-faith-based-counseling-josh-duggar-received-after-molesting-five-girls/?fbclid=IwAR0luoxgzOQWLmJ60E-KYB659hYj4cqJmtUT1OWoHOFEtZYqxOSctOjyKRg. And I have never thought more clearly and rationally in my life. I kept hearing in church over and over again that being a Christian was joyful; not being a Christian was well, not. Powered by Invision Community. I ended up on bed rest for a part of my pregnancy due to complications and was unable to do anything around the house for myself including make food to eat. 4. In 2018, an investigation by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram found hundreds of victims and a culture of coverups, victim shaming and the passing on of predators to other ministries. Actually the only churches considered not to be in error are other Independent Baptist Churches, and even some of them are suspect. document.write ("?zoneid="+zoneId+"&block=1&blockcampaign=1"); Welcome to Ex-C, we are so glad you're here. Her two sisters were sent to Gaylord, in northern Michigan, to a program run by Grace Baptist Church. Didymus, J. T. (2021, February 17). Former independent fundamental baptist church members what was the craziest thing you heard was a sin did you do it before and after.
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