Sosomewhere along the line, we forgot what part of the article was about actual comparison of Driver X versus Driver Brand. A different animal than what the test was. While the dual-crown technology is visible in both, on the TaylorMade Burner its much more subtle and refined. Anyway shot an 83 at a course I never played on with clubs I never swung before. Years ago Maltby (Golfworks founder) did a quality study on the tolerances of his clubs versus clones, dont recall if he sampled OEMs as well. Starting should also include lessons. Ball: Wilson Staff Duo Professional, Bridgestone Tour B-RXS, Callaway Chrome Soft. (E.M. A boyish 25-year-old Californian, he has been selling golf clubs since he was 15. Unless its done in jestof course. Hireko stuff is reasonable, and priced quite well. Caveat, Ihave not built any of their(Hireko)newer models but I have with GolfWorks. Secondly, please read Roy Nixs article from the AGCP Whos cloning who. There is the direct counterfeit, which is a dead-on copy that carries the legitimate products trademark, and thats illegal. No one knows what they are. It's a combination driver and fairwaywood. As much as I preach performance first, theres only so much Im willing to sacrifice in terms of esthetics, sound, and feel. I need cheap clubs and their just as good. Definitions: I saw they also have a dual length set for people that just don't want to play long 6i length short irons. The long irons are 5i length and the mid A good golf club is a good golf club, no matter what name is stamped on it. Theymay not be fancy looking and after 8 years playing with them over 150 days each seasonin Alaska the paint is scraping off the titanium club head a bit, but that doesn't effect the way it plays. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations. No need to point that out and recommend starting a new thread for those who insist on making that there lifes mission. But there really is no best answer its all subjective. How many of us have purchased the latest whoopie doo driver to find no difference in handicap. Written by L Mayhew 2007 . Turner T7 that resembles a TaylorMade r7. He built mostly dynacraft stuff, so I got a lot of odd components from the 80s. I play a complete set of Ping I20s purple dot. Some golfers place an absolute premium on distance. https://www.hirekogolf.com/golf-components/clubheads/golf-irons/pinhawk-vertex-dual-length-iron-clubhead.html. Most of all Tony believes in performance over hype and #PowerToThePlayer. These perform great. Essentially, you were saying that all clone companies operate in the same way. Test Taylormade drivers against a couple of the top tier non-OEM companies like Bang and Ill be interested in the results. Note: The FTC considers the terms Clone and Knock-Off to be identical. Oneday 8 years ago I saw an add from Hireko for their THRIVER. https://www.hirekogolf.com/golf-components/clubheads/golf-irons/pinhawk-vertex-dual Within minutes a graphics designer at Yarn-Way had downloaded the logo from the TaylorMade shaft onto a computer screen and was making minor design and color alterations to it. Taylormade bought out Adams. You will receive personalized attention from the initial interview through product delivery. There are a practically infinite number of clones for every significant new driver that hits the market each year. You may wonder what the difference is between the counterfeit vs. clone. There is a difference in this world with having the right to do something, and doing something with honor. I will say that some companies make good in-house shafts. Acer Golf Clubs WebThe biggest factor in making sure the woods perform correctly when made all at the same length as each other is the head weight. They design their clubs but they look amazingly like many other top brands. The right shaft for the player is far more important IMO. Amazingly all that expensive hardware wont fix a bad set up and an outside in swing path. A few reputable clone companies online get their product made at the same foundry that a few large name brand companies get their gear made. The Cobra clone had the unique Cobra hosel and the Taylor clone heads were painted brown and the shaft were brown and black. Maybe the new Golfworks KE4 can play like the originals but for cost these keep me in the 80 range on the scorecard. Im fitted properly to my clones which is half the battle. Below is a lengthy paper that I previously wrote on the subject. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google, (your email address will not be published), Costco Kirkland Performance + Golf Ball (Version 3), Costco Kirkland Signature Wedges Version 2, http://www.diamondtour.com/golf-bags.html, http://www.pinemeadowgolf.com/golf-clubs/accessories/. Web$189.80 (6 used & new offers) MAZEL Single Length Golf Club Irons Set for Men & Women (4,5,6,7,8,9,P,A,S) or Individual Iron 7,Left/Right Handed,37.5 Inch 489 $29900 FREE No Reps. No Service. Other factors, the subjective stufflooks, sound, feel, etc. PssstWanna buy some clubs? Golf Digest 14 Jul 2003. Counterfeit/Copy Golf Clubs: Are direct copies of OEM equipment. And I have the benefit of custom fitting and the best components. Up closeummmnot so much. While laser technology can scan the outside, they do not scan the inside. All Levels of Golfers Beginners to Advanced. Whether you are just getting into the game or the seasoned vet trying to score a great deal, we have it. Single Length Golf Clubs - Bainbridge Custom Clubs document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Irons | Golf Galaxy One of the guys on WRX built a set of XV Pros a while back, gave them a review. Chances are noIf it does, it will be short lived. While the TaylorMade Burner is a true glossy black, the Heated has what Id call a medium gloss gray. No matter what your skill level, you want to play better golf. On 5/20/2020 at 10:38 PM, aerospace_ray said: On 5/24/2020 at 9:08 AM, aerospace_ray said: On 5/24/2020 at 10:48 AM, Guest Delete said: ltby?" Had to get a hybrid custom built cos the Affinity hybrids swing weight was indifferent to the irons. What I will say is that I glued together a few of their sets for buddies and lofts, lies and head weights are not spot on. If you agree that Counterfeit Clubs and Copies are Illegal, does it not then bother you that even though Knock-Offs/Clones are currently Legal, they are still made by the same factories in China? Can you point me in the right direction? So, of all the clubs Ive ever owned, one club was .7g past tolerance. IMO, no they do not. Give me a web site that shows the difference names of club components and the quality of the components so I can make an informed decision so that I dont have to rely on a manufacturer who has advertised his name to be number one. And, as they acquire them they would tweak the designs to what is available today. I like them a lot, price was great, looks are great and pleased with the performance. Paying full freight is worth it if the performance dictates. What I do believe is a reasonable conclusion based on the totality of the numbers is that there is not a significant performance difference between the TaylorMade Tour Burner, and the Heated clone. Thank you for the update. I believe hirekobought out dynacraft the same way that diamond golf bought wishon? I mostly buy OEM equipment, but I have bought components. SWIFT) By being all the same length, lie, balance and weight as a 7-iron, there is no need to change your posture, stance or ball position so you only have one thought process for every swing with your irons and wedges. Dynacraft was next with Golfsmith last. I have also seen some really good clubs, despite being complete knockoffs. I now own a complete set of the GigaGolf forged cavity backs along with a set of Giga woods and play to a legit 7 handicap. I do not know if you are getting your information simply from other posted articles or notbut it is once again not the case. There is a difference between Branded Merchandise and Clones, and that is largely quality control. If it was that cut and dry wed all be playing the same club. Thanks guys, have fun. Launch Angle and Apex For the most part, the Burner and the Clone produced similar launch characteristics. If thats your game, then its hard not to argue with the 7.11 yards of additional carry (or 6.03 yards of total distance) that our testers showed with the Burner. That you are giving money to an operation that also conducts Illegal activities? No Research and Design Costs. Id love to see MGS compare irons. I certainly believe there is little difference in shot results from an overall performance. While I cant speak for GolfSmith, Hireko is also considered partly a clone company. Are there bad clonesYES. I think what is more interesting is that you missed the fact that I stated in the sentence those companies are both clone and component makers: DIRECT QUOTE: You cannot paste images directly. Note I'm 68 and using A flex but with the right shaft for your game they will play to any flex. But I think it would surprise most to know that only by 5.8 yards (2.2%). Our state-of-the-art studio bays hit out to a range that allows you to see the flight of the ball, we never fit into a net. Why else would a top tier golf ball cost up to $5 maybe advertising and exorbitant overheads? They specialize. Counterfeits or a Copy, are much harder to tell and that is why the Golf manufacturers are in fact going after these factories. Of course, that has to be with an * because of of all the stuff I mentioned earlier. This allows the golfer to use the same swing, on the same plane, with the same feel, for each iron in the set. Are Acer and Pinhawk owned by Hireko? For me, I purchase OEM then if anything goes wrong I have a legitimate beef with the supplier. Guys, I have a fairly unique perspective on this issue. The name brand guyslaugh as they gaze at the clones with icy cold contempt. I dont care what a club looks like or sounds like, if it feels good in my hands and performs well for accuracy. We carry a full line of product offerings, from best value starter and junior Not so many Hireko/Acer/Pinhawk. As far as I know Wishon Golf, Golfworks, Alpha Golf, Geek Golf, Krank Golf and KZG were never makers or sellers of clone heads. Take a look back at some of the old clubs and you will see theres nothing new. Well today youre going to find out once and for all. Why? In 1997 R.J. Liou reached a settlement with Callaway. But the same thing has already happened in electronics, computers and even automobiles. Callaway threatened to sue Kent Graphtec over its Big Bursar driver, alleging patent, trademark and trade dress (trademark-design) infringement. If we simply look at the raw averages we see that the Clone was actually more accurate! However, it was 72 degrees, blue skies with great company and cold beer. All you did was test one club head pretty worthless really. I have the t7 which is the R7 clone. I found that both sets hit almost exactly the same distance with the same loft, atleast I cannot notice any difference. It just isnt very admirable. Factory heads seldom are more than 1-2 grams off specification. You are right, though, that golf is an expensive game. Sent from my SM-N960U using MyGolfSpy mobile app. Don't know if one is better than the other, both are good . Didn't find much else on here, so that's why I started the new thread to explore more. WebHirekos stable of recognized clubmaking brands include Acer and Juggernaut in clubheads, to SK Fiber golf shafts, to Karma golf grips. The clone guys will tell you that the name brand stuff is overpriced and doesnt perform any better than the OEM stuff they were designed to look like. They might could provide you with design answers/informationyou might have. Go back to the drawing board and get a fair representation of the better quality heads and their nearest OEM head. I get great loft and distance. Incidentally, what we believe to be generally true is that its not just clones, but also respected component brands where the single biggestdifferentiationbetween their product and that of the big OEMs isnt performance, but rather polish. Stupid autocorrect! I found the Pings to be slightly easier to hit off of different lies and are less sensitive to slightly less then a good strike. I play the Pursuit cavity back forged too. Why buy a clone when you can get very good used OEM or used component clubs from great firms like Wishon or KZG? We bend putters too! I also own a Sasquatch, SuMo 5000, Callaway FT-3, 5 and 9, a Speedline, a W/S Smooth (finally- been wanting that for a while), a Burner SuperFast 1.0, a Turner True Speed Ablaze (DTG), an Inazone XC-7, Odyssey WH XG #9, Odyssey DF #5, Adams Boxer A3 3h and countless wedges from Cleveland, Nike, Callaway, TMag and Adams. Training Aids, GPS Devices, Apps, Accessories & More! For 2 of the 3 testers, the Burner produced more spin, however; as weve suggested, not by any significant amount. In my humble opinion Geek and Krank and maybe Bang are all longer than the Rocketballz Driver with similar shafts. Your previous content has been restored. It's rather nice, spins decently, good feel. Caveat, Ihave not built any of their(Hireko)newer models but I have with GolfWorks. Any test involving equipment using humans seems flawed the particants had to realize which club was being used and to completely eliminate that mental factor had to be impossible. KZG couldnt afford them. Lie Angle Adjustments We can change lie angles to fit your golf swing in almost any golf club. Not sure about Pinhawk, think they are their own entity. Regarding Acer, most likely but don't know for sure. I have contacted Hireko customer serv My point? They swing quite heavy compared to most but I got used to them. No wonder the golfing consumer doesnt take the component head biz seriously.when I read this type of stuff..I am bewildered. I would actually like to see more tests done on off brand stuff, like the KZGs or Warrior custom golf (you know who you are, I played them to). . Im not a big fan of clones or knock-offs. Wishon was (and is) a design leader. I trust GolfWorks regarding their club head model designs/quality and spec tolerances. . that would be true in large part. Many OEM designs came from the product offerings of these companies. Note that Pinhawk is a trademarked line of golf clubs not designed by Hireko Golf. I buy most of my club making supplies through GolfWorks but I will occasionally purchase golf shafts/grips from Hireko as they have really good closeout sales at times. WebGigaGolf Custom Golf Clubs FREE STAND BAG with $500 custom Learn More a GIGAGOLF EXPERT for club fitting assistance or to place an order by phone (M-F) 8 to 5 est Learn More Play better golf with custom clubs fit I built a set of Pinhawk single length and gave them a good run for a year using two different sets of shafts. It may be understandable that we as consumers can be fooled by Counterfeits/Copies (Illegal), but there is no way anyone of us could not identify a Clone/Knock-Off (Legal). I must take exception to the consideration being given Clones. A lot of the posts in this thread are opinions, I prefer facts. i will give you this professionals point of view. OK, dianond tours own shaft in smoke is just gorgous,and cheap,(deep smoke,or gold) DTs heads, and winn grips. Clones destroy the credibility of Maltby, Wishon, Alpha, KZG, and even what Jeff Summit is doing today with Hireko. I haven't tried anything of theirs yet, but now I am willing to. Pasted as rich text. Loft and lie adjustment involves the use of specially-designed equipment and a great deal of experience. It doesnt cost that much more to purchase legitimate past year models. I agree that most component companies copy other designs. I have a loft lie machine in the basement, so no big deal. Both my Acer XKs and XFs were all either on spec or less than one gram off (.8g being the farthest off). They have a 6 iron length. I would like to see the stock shafts for each club tested. So if the name-brand companies are fine with it, why would anyone, that decides to save money on purchasing similar product, be doing the wrong thing? They make their own designs. Apart from obvious esthetic differences, one noteworthy point of differentiation is that the Tour Burner takes a .350 tip shaft, where as the clone (the Heated), takes a .335. The reasons are many why this topic has not been fully addressed and this is one of the reasons we felt so compelled to cover it for you. Now woods I have a little different take. Im sorry but some of your facts are wrong. Thank you. I also have a few different sets of clubs and many extra clubs lying around the house. Counterfeits and Clones from the same cloth Strong lofts with forgiving mishits and incredible feel. Although new legislation is going to clarify this further. Lets go back to Hickory shafted clubs, even then there were manufacturers inserting steel shafts inside. Even the raw materials received were sometimes out of tolerance. Just to finish it off, I also have DTGs S2 Pro 3h and 4h and Inazone CNC Shadow wedges. The uninformed, the newbie, the consumer who is jealous of the success of OEMs and their need to earn profits. Quality is really poor. From tee to green and everything in-between, Hireko offers a wide array of golf clubs for players of all ages and abilities. (LOVE THE MILITARY CAMO BAG THEY HAVE only $59 too ;). Both I felt were manufactured from just poor quality materials all around (shaft, club head and grips). Used equipment from Wishon or KZG virtually have no resale value and offer a tremendous value. As mentioned above, I believe you should research more on this topic before writing an entire article denouncing the use of clone products. On performance alone, its hard for me to justify spending the extra $200 (based on initial MSRP pricing). My back and joints are grateful. He incorporated the word Integra into the logo and then submitted it to Liou for approval. Price and materials/construction dont necessarily mean everything in my experience. Yes, I know this is a 2011 article. Instead our goal was simply to determine whether or not a no-name clone could outperform a driver from one of the biggest names in golf. Being a designer in this industry I can tell you for a fact that some of the clones that are upper tier are designed in the same foundry that many mid to upper tier name brand models are designed in. Clubhead speed, and launch angle are both significant factors in determining ideal spin. I cant say Ive chased the next new thing, only last year did I move the a 460 driver, of course I had to build three. An excerpt from Pssst . Not so much. There are many reasons besides marketing costs why they are cheaper. Giga provides a great club for the average golfer at an affordable price. Not surprisingly, the Burner also produced the greater shot height for 2 of our 3 testers. Golfsmith has become really copy cattish lately, but mainly because they are throwing in the towel on the clubmaking side of it. There are different levels of counterfeiting, says Debra Peterson, a U.S. customs official who was involved in Project Teed Off. Two of our testers hit the Heated first, while the 3rd hit the Burner first. For the beginner or high HC golfer, I highly recommend a good set of clones. Fact is players with lousy swings are still carding in the 110+ neighborhood if theyre scoring honestly. For those interested in carry only, the Burner was 7.11 yards longer on average, which we think is significant. I ran a small clubmaking andrepair business in the late 80's and early 90's and bought from Golfworks, Golfsmith, and Dynacraft. Other than that they work. Wanna buy some clubs? This topic has been pretty taboo and heated for many reasons. Irons: 3-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4 (reshaft in progress, slowly); 1i &3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S; 2-PW Golden Ram TW282, RIP Tour 115 R Most of us who choose to play clones most likely at some point played name brand clubs. The shape is cleaner, the graphics are more polished (dare I say professional), and the paint quality is clearly superior (our clone is already starting to show some wear in the middle of the crown, well away from any impact zone). From what I understand, Bang Golf doesnt make clones nor knock-offs. Clones are a short cut. In addition to his editorial responsibilities, he was instrumental in developing MyGolfSpy's data-driven testing methodologies and continues to sift through our data to find the insights that can help improve your game. I was looking at the 85 and 75g steel shafts also. Prior to that acquisition, Dynacraft were one of the Big Three component companies, along with Golfsmith and GolfWorks, and werein Ohio. Odyssey Putters; Clearance Golf Clubs Up to $180 Off TaylorMade Stealth Golf Clubs; PING G425 Golf Clubs; Shop All PING Golf Clubs; Super Game
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