Definitely believe that Wheeljack is closer to their size, and Cliffjumper is as large, if not larger than Bumblebee. (Admittedly the GT Sisters are non-human Cybertronians, despite appearances, but this definitely smacks of fiction working to explain the toyline's scale issue.). Leader Class, at US$40. Though different stories have compared Cybertron/Primus and Unicron to drastically different real planets, the fact remains that they are planets, and yet are shown in such insane scale to characters as to suggest they are the size of a very small moon (or space station). The Micromasters are explicitly downsized Transformers, roughly the size of a human in the comics, meaning that they should have explicitly tiny vehicle modes which wouldn't make for very convincing disguises. Skyquake is slightly taller than Prime. Team Primelives onEarth, three years after their last confrontation withDecepticons. The Autobots use the Omega Lock to restore Cybertron and settle back on their homeworld. The problems of describing citybots as "cities" is a thousand times worse if Unicron is supposed to have a planet alternate mode, and Cybertron is in turn supposed to be of similar size. This page was last modified on 8 April 2023, at 23:14. Thus, Bumblebee comes up to Wheeljack's waist, which is show-accurate, but results in Bumblebee turning into a very small Volkswagen Beetle; were vehicle mode scale used, Bumblebee would actually be slightly larger. The heights between Optimus and Megatron - TFW2005 In another variation of this, Prime Predaking is a colossal monster in beast mode that even the upgraded Optimus Prime can barely look in the chest, but transforms into a beefy robot a head or two taller than Megatron. (NOTE: unfinalized models, scale may not be final), A much larger, black and white version of the the Decepticon scale chart, Autobot scale chart from the film's DVD(NOTE: uses concept art, scale may not be final), Decepticon scale chart from the film's DVD(NOTE: uses concept art, scale may not be final), Scale for Devastator and Constructicons(NOTE: uses concept art, scale may not be final), Blackarachnia scale references for season 1, Scale chart from Transformers Animated: How to Draw, Scale chart page published in The AllSpark Almanac II, Optimus Prime and Bumblebee scale within the game, Omega Supreme next to Optimus Prime and Bumblebee within the game, Trypticon and Omega Supreme to scale within the game, Character model size comparison for Bumblebee, Omega Supreme and Trypticon, "Epic height" scale chart from Activision, https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Scale_charts&oldid=1685585. A screenshot of both of them together could be available from Predatory. This is purely for dramatic effect. And, much like Human Alliance, the various human figures released alongside them are far too small - going by the scale charts, Spike, for instance, should come up to Optimus's knee, rather than the middle of his shin. For example, Prowl was shown to grow several times his normal size when forming the head of Devastator in Robots In Disguise. A cast that couldn't enter buildings would be grossly inconvenient for telling some stories, so the animators fudge things. shrunk steadily in subsequent issues until he was not much taller than the average Transformer. Someone took these comparison charts, and took a scan with Silas standing next to Starscream to get his height, and then calculated all the rest. (And they were never gonna make a properly screen-accurate-scale Scavenger, though a Commander Class figure was in the works, but was canned, bummer.). The depiction of Unicron in Prime is another improvement - he is explicitly said to be the core of the planet Earth, which would be about 3470km. It took a while to complete this so I hope you guys are vocal about what you think about the designs! Transformers: The Headmasters scale charts: Shouki: 5 m Razorclaw: 5.5 m Mindwipe: 5.5 m Highbrow: 5.5 m Springer: 6 m Weirdwolf: 6 m Skullcruncher: 6 m Hardhead: 6 m Cerebros: 6 m Brainstorm: 6 m Ultra Magnus: ~7 m Cyclonus: 7 m Sixshot: 7 m Raiden: ~16 m Predaking: 16 m Dreamwave Generation One continuity: The Nemesis Length: 2.5 miles ), yet he's an ordinary-sized trooper in his robot form. There's also no known reason for e.g. Sometimes this is deliberate, allowing them to match their toy scale and/or be of a similar size to other characters; in other cases, it is essentially an artistic error. Size of G1 Transformers vary between cartoon episodes or comics. This is also assuming Bumblebee's AOE height at 18 feet. Trion also orders them to find theOmega Keys, which will activate theOmega Lockand restore Cybertron. The reintroduction of the Prime Wars Trilogy Legends Class (under the name "Core Class") is another barrel of monkeys, with the majority of them being smaller takes of "G1" characters based on larger toys, which only scale amongst their own. Anyone looking within the toyline for notions of a "correct" scale between the characters would be stymied by the multiple size classes and the lack of real-world scale references. Another glaring scale problem comes in the form of the Seekers, who turn into F-15 Eagles which, in real life, are 19.4 m (63.8 feet) long. The overwhelming majority of franchises, fictions, toylines, or other incarnations of Transformers simply don't present scale in a logical or believable fashion (there are, of course, a few rare exceptions, detailed below). Characters often change size in a less explicit fashion when transforming. Sometimes artists draw a character at a different size intentionally. There is no explanation for any of this. TFA size and power chart by Trytix on DeviantArt However, Metroplex, during his one, brief appearance, was depicted as being immensely larger, crushing Quintesson attack cruisers under foot without batting an eyelid. However, it's hard to begrudge Hasbro not offering us a Primus toy the size of an asteroid. Scale | Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki | Fandom share. The final line in the trilogy, Kingdom introduced Beast Wars characters into the mix, which hoooo boy. Combiner characters are often depicted as far larger than the sum of their parts. The Autobots and Decepticons' struggle becomes a competition for Cybertronian artifacts strewn across the planet, which turn out to have been placed there byAlpha Trion, who foresaw the Autobots coming to Earth. The height of the cartoon's Skyfire, just to name one, frequently varied between episodes. The Alternators toyline, where every toy is a 1:24-scale representation of a real car, and thus in perfect scale with each other, was the first to buck the trend. Conversely, if a new toy based on such a character is designed to be more in scale with other toys, such as 2008 Universe Ultra Class Powerglide or 2010 Transformers Voyager Class Sea Spray, some fans complain because they expect those new toys to reflect the original toys' sizes and, by extension, the depiction in fiction. The Autobots learn of Project Predacon and race the Decepticons for the location of Predacon fossils, to prevent Shockwave from cloning more of the beasts. In the otherwise fairly toy-scale-savvy Unicron Trilogy, Cybertron Metroplex and the other citizens of Gigantion are depicted as gargantuan in animation, whereas the toys are merely among the normal boxed size-classes (they do at least scale decently to each other, though). These discrepancies are also seen in the other Scramble City-style combiners with Earth altmodes, whose toys are all smaller than similar earlier toys. With the vehicles as a frame of reference, it seems we should take it as fact that all of the Action Masters are literally the same size, even characters such as Bumblebee and Devastator. When the Decepticons resurface, the Autobots take three child witnesses,Jack Darby,Miko Nakadai, andRaf Esquivelunder their protection. AOE Scale Chart Thread | TFW2005 - The 2005 Boards Despite transforming into a Lamborghini Aventador (a smallish vehicle at less than four feet in height and fifteen feet in length), Lockdown unfolds into a massive robot mode that stands at least 24 feet tall. Toys at the lowest price points usually include "mini" or "micro" in their name. Between the two, Lockdown is about 21-22 feet. As Optimus retrieves theAllSpark, Autobots, Decepticons, and Predacons unite under Bumblebee and Predaking to face the Chaos Bringer in defense of their home. The cartoon, for example, shows Optimus, Megatron and Soundwave as about the same height, Seekers and Autobot cars as slightly shorter (though not as much as the toys are), and Minibots as smaller yet. If the buildings were in fact supposed to be skyscrapers (or even 2000 A.D.-style arcologies) sized for 10 m (30') robots, Cybertron would still be less than 150km (100 miles) across, far smaller than even the smallest known (or even physically possible) dwarf planets. Devastator in the Season One scale guide was approximately 2.5 times the height of Optimus Prime, but by Season Two he was somewhat less than twice Prime's height. That said, most cinematic series within Transformers have official scale charts for creators to work with. Beast Wars (Part 1) Law of the Jungle This makes them (and Cheetor in particular, since he's around more) the measuring sticks for the other characters. E.g., Optimus Prime is an extended-hood cab in order to have more mass with which to make a taller robot mode, although Age of Extinction would later give Prime his more classic flat-nosed truck mode without any notecable change of mass of his robot mode. Far worse is the other Diaclone combiner team, the Trainbots, who have train engine altmodes, yet their toys are among the smallest of the Diaclone releases. Revenge of the Fallen had scale guides featured in the 25 years of Transformers feature for the DVD release which showed official heights for both the Autobots and the Decepticons. Megatron, however, is a pitifully tiny specimen of a T. rex. A Blast Off (Space Shuttle) toy in scale with the Alternators toys would be 1.6 meters (5.1 feet) long, while a Broadside (aircraft carrier) toy at that scale would be over 12 meters (40 feet)! G1-era media also consistently depicts the members of the Special Teams as being about the same size as each other, even though the toys consistently had the leader be about twice the size of the limbs. If he's the size of a real truck, Prime in robot mode should be 810 m (25'30') tall, at best. The Legends Class version of Devastator only adds another dump truck for the torso, which doesn't really improve things since all the individual components are still more or less the same size. Transformers Evolution Optimus Prime Size Chart - DeviantArt The Combiner Wars releases of the classic crews made varying efforts to avoid this. and our The animated segments featured in the television commercials for the toys generally play fast and loose with scale: One of them features Micromasters small enough for Action Master Optimus Prime to hold several of them (in alternate mode) in the palm of his hand (see the image to the left), which would mean the toys are supposed to be roughly life-sized, while others feature an entire Micromaster city that's small enough for Powermaster Optimus Prime to hold it in the palm of his hand, which would make the toys massively oversized! There are times however outside and inside of lore when official heights and sizes of characters are given. [4] Thus, Optimal Optimus is ungodly tall in his first appearance, later reduced to perhaps two times the height of the rest of the cast. The opposite problem is seen with Masterpiece Megatron, whose robot mode is in scale with Masterpiece Optimus Prime. For example, the original Air Raid transforms into an F-15 Eagle, but his toy is half the size of the original Starscream's. In recent years, Hasbro has actually started using the term "scale" in the context of their Transformers toys more frequently. Beast Wars likewise had an official scale guide, which appeared as a bonus on the DVD set of Season 2. Animated departs from this, where Decepticons are sometimes depicted larger than the Autobots to emphasize the rookie nature of the team handling imposing and dangerous enemies. Meanwhile, the Autobots have to guard Jack, Miko, and Raf, three kids who've . Published: Feb 3, 2015 56 Favourites 9.7K Views autobots bulkhead bumblebee optimusprime prowl ratchet tfasari tfatransformers This is a size+power chart of the main Autobots (+Sari). The Beast Machines' toyline was far worse in size discrepancies with the cartoon. This also presents clear problems with similar figures whose gimmick suggests interaction, such as Headmasters or Mini-Cons. Even worse, Hasbro Pulse refers to a figure's height measurements as "figure scale". If I asked myself this question, I'd say that Megatron is the same height as Predaking. That said, it does also mean that fans attempting to create "scale-accurate" collections do have more options: for instance, Starscream's releases at the Voyager pricepoint struggle to scale with the standard Deluxe-class cars, but his Leader-class incarnation is much closer. For more information, please see our There are still minor scale issues to be found, though. Scout Class, at US$8. The Micromasters are about the same height in robot mode, but they transform into equally tiny cars, trucks, planes, tanks, and other vehicles that should be vastly different sizes. ). Welcome to Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki. Artwork for the Star Wars subline features humans from another galaxy standing at the same height as Transformers, although this is simply because most of the figures in the tabletop game advertised by this artwork are the same size. The Marvel Generation 1 comic sidestepped this issue by depicting Trypticon, Fortress Maximus, and Scorponok as merely "large-standard" characters. Some of the citybot toys have visible windows, which are too large for a city, suggesting instead a medium-sized building. I found this scale chart of the various heights of Megatron on Deviantart; credits to KaijuATTACK877. In the Aligned continuity, the Thirteenth Prime is better known as Optimus Prime, the current leader of the Autobots and protector of the universe. Similarly, the Constructicons, despite also coming from the Diaclone line, are too small, in particular Long Haul, whose alternate mode is an "earth mover" type of dump truck, which are gigantic in real life. In fact when the Combaticons form him in Chapter X they are clearly swelling in size. Hasbro actually displayed mock-ups for an unproduced line of "military" Transformers in scale with Alternators during the BotCon 2007 Hasbro Tour; two of them recycled parts of Armada Unicron, and were thus Supreme-sized, which made said potential toyline not particularly commercially viable for Hasbro. Even if a size was decided on, it often didn't remain consistent. In both cases, part of the gimmick is the interchangeability of their accessories, who represent whole characters in their own right, suggesting the toys are indeed meant to have some kind of scaling with each other. Given that their limbs are mere cars and construction vehicles, this is patently absurd (Superion, by contrast, would be building-sized, given that his torso is a 100-seat jetliner). Cosmos fanart I . Main article: List of Transformers: Prime Episodes. Super mode Powermaster Optimus Prime was originally about Fortress Maximus-sized, until he too shrunk to the size of his inner robotwhich was never seen again. Just go with it. These Titans often have "small" robots forming vital components. Something's off about Bumblebee, Cliffjumper and Wheeljack. History. 70 comments. Nevertheless, if one assumes that most vehicle altmodes are intended for human-sized passengers, comparing toys such as Chromedome with Lightspeed suggests the scale problem continues. The Autobots also contend with the human terrorist organization,MECH, headed by former military operative Leland Bishop, akaSilas, who targets the Cybertronians for their technology, capturingBreakdown,Bumblebee, and Starscream for parts, and building adoppelgngercontrolled by Silas. Yet when Skywatch discovers Laserbeak at the end of the story, his head alone is suddenly the size of an adult human. Other complaints focused on the lack of buildup or foreshadowing for certain major threats likeUnicronand the Predacons; in the case of the latter, former Hasbro employeeRik Alvarezconfirmed that this was the result of Hasbro staff changes forcefully altering the direction of the show from what was intended. Guess Who the Mecannibals Are Having for Dinner? For this to work, either Blast Off has to shrink, or Swindle needs to grow. Unfortunately, for practical reasons this limited the choice of altmodes. In toy form, Lockdown's small alternate mode means you can either set his Deluxe-sized toy against a Voyager-or-smaller Prime for correct robot mode scale, or against a Leader-sized Prime toy for correct vehicle mode scale - but obviously not both! Devastator is another serial offender, particularly given his frequent appearances in episodes animated by AKOM; his size ranges from shot to shot in "The Core" from being about twice as tall as Optimus to being so large that Prowl's head doesn't even come up to the top of his foot. However, even here, there are problems. Now that big bad Megatron has returned to Earth, Team Prime prepares for an epic struggle to save the planet. These scale issues are largely inherited by similar lines, such as the Brainmasters and Titan Masters. The original G1 Optimus Prime toy also has scale issues. One possible reason for this is that one of them would be considerably smaller than the other one in real life if they were perfectly in scale. although it saw a line-wide price increase in later waves. Devastator (G1) - Transformers Wiki Furthermore, the Dreamwave miniseries Micromasters suggested that the Micromasters were scaled down to interact more easily with "smaller beings". This problem was magnified when the Generation 1 characters cameoed in the series. These scale problems are necessary to avoid misproportioned gestalt forms. In one story, the Pretender Cloudburst exited his shell, transformed into jet mode, and then his shell (and Landmine) boarded him as a passenger. Transformers Movie 1 15th Anniversary Multi-pack, at US$141.99 War for Cybertron Trilogy War for Cybertron: Siege . Conversely, the Kmart exclusive Dark of the Moon "Autobot Daredevil Squad" multi-pack couples a redeco of the original Revenge of the Fallen version of Sam with a redeco of Revenge of the Fallen Deluxe Class Cannon Bumblebee, resulting in a large human with a small Chevrolet Camaro he couldn't possibly fit into even if the Bumblebee toy had its crude interior redesigned to house a driver. He should be able to carry all his teammates in his bed, with some crowding. Newcomer Alpha Bravo is also undersized if his windows are anything to go by. The early Generation 1 toy line, especially the pre-movie releases, were rebranded and redecoed toys from several different Japanese toy lines. However, that presents problems with some characters, such as Sideways (motorcycle) being the same size as Thrust (jet), especially if you assume Mirror is meant to be the size of a human. This is a visual cheat so the glasses are visible to the audience, and other visual cheats to make the robots seem shorter or taller were used in the movies. While they're not shown next to humans in their jet and helicopter modes, their on-screen transformations do not indicate any notable size increase.
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